Windows 10 Build 17711 & 17713 - Hitting the Reset Button
On July 6, then July 9 MS released Windows 10 builds 17711 and 17713.
Build 17711 was primarily a bug fix build (nearly 30) with some updates to Edge, some Fluent design updates and an update to the Registry Editor. 17711 was also the official end to the Windows Sets feature - which was dropped for the RS5 branch.
Build 17713 again added some Edge, Inking and Windows Defender Updates as well as some updates to old favorites like NotePad. The nice new inclusion was improved login and support for Azure Active Directory (AAD) and the ability to register your machine with the AAD.
With Sets now gone - 17713 also did a reset on the Skip Ahead Ring. All Insiders were returned to the Fast Ring and Skip Ahead registration will be opened up soon. Similarly - RS5 builds will now be marked as RS5_Release and we soon see a new fork for RS6 or whatever the next branch of Windows is probably sometime in August.
As with recent builds the only device that easily updated both builds was my Dell Inspiron desktop. The Venue 8 Pro had a little easier time and did not Green Screen on DPC errors but still struggled.
The killer was my HP Elitebook 745 G3 laptop - while it updated - it took forever and ran horribly afterwards. In fact it had me beginning to question if I was experiencing hardware issues with my Samsung 960 NVMe or RAM.
So I bit the bullet and swapped out the NVMe for the factory SATA SSD and even returned to factory RAM. But then that meant have to perform a fresh install of the 1803 release, then rejoining the Insider group and updating to 17711.
So 1803 installed no problem, I allowed the machine to complete all it's post OS updates and Store downloads, then joined Insider and upgrades to 17711. So all in about a 3 - 4 hr process...
So all good right ?
Wrong !!!!
While 17711 did install - all of a sudden a lot of things stopped working. Like you could not launch the Store or Office Apps like Word would not allow you to login in via Office 365. All sorts of MS apps and features just stopped. Fingerprint registration stopped and you couldn't remove any - you had to go into the BIOS - clear the fingerprint storage and start over.
I spent the next few hours researching the Feedback Hub and other sources and came to the realization that I would have to perform a full reset of 17711..
After that the machine finally started to run normally and the update to 17713 worked fine. But what a hassle.
Sure we're Insiders and we can expect to have issues - but we're on the 7th release branch of Windows 10 and so these kind of issues just shouldn't be happening.
Like many Insiders I also bitched to MS to make ISOs available so we can do clean builds without having to always go back to the previous production release then upgrade. But it's fallen on deaf ears now for years.
With Sets now gone from RS5 it may be interesting to see if more effort is placed on Settings and Fluent and especially getting updates to install correctly. To be honest updates to Notepad are okay - but who cares ? Most users rarely use it.
But with that said - the fact that the RS5 / RS6 split is going to happen soon means that RS5 is done - sure they'll be bug fixes and they'll keep hacking on Edge - but otherwise yawn.
What will be more interesting will be how the program will change as the new Windows organization starts to deliver the product.
Build 17711 was primarily a bug fix build (nearly 30) with some updates to Edge, some Fluent design updates and an update to the Registry Editor. 17711 was also the official end to the Windows Sets feature - which was dropped for the RS5 branch.
Build 17713 again added some Edge, Inking and Windows Defender Updates as well as some updates to old favorites like NotePad. The nice new inclusion was improved login and support for Azure Active Directory (AAD) and the ability to register your machine with the AAD.
With Sets now gone - 17713 also did a reset on the Skip Ahead Ring. All Insiders were returned to the Fast Ring and Skip Ahead registration will be opened up soon. Similarly - RS5 builds will now be marked as RS5_Release and we soon see a new fork for RS6 or whatever the next branch of Windows is probably sometime in August.
As with recent builds the only device that easily updated both builds was my Dell Inspiron desktop. The Venue 8 Pro had a little easier time and did not Green Screen on DPC errors but still struggled.
The killer was my HP Elitebook 745 G3 laptop - while it updated - it took forever and ran horribly afterwards. In fact it had me beginning to question if I was experiencing hardware issues with my Samsung 960 NVMe or RAM.
So I bit the bullet and swapped out the NVMe for the factory SATA SSD and even returned to factory RAM. But then that meant have to perform a fresh install of the 1803 release, then rejoining the Insider group and updating to 17711.
So 1803 installed no problem, I allowed the machine to complete all it's post OS updates and Store downloads, then joined Insider and upgrades to 17711. So all in about a 3 - 4 hr process...
So all good right ?
Wrong !!!!
While 17711 did install - all of a sudden a lot of things stopped working. Like you could not launch the Store or Office Apps like Word would not allow you to login in via Office 365. All sorts of MS apps and features just stopped. Fingerprint registration stopped and you couldn't remove any - you had to go into the BIOS - clear the fingerprint storage and start over.
I spent the next few hours researching the Feedback Hub and other sources and came to the realization that I would have to perform a full reset of 17711..
After that the machine finally started to run normally and the update to 17713 worked fine. But what a hassle.
Sure we're Insiders and we can expect to have issues - but we're on the 7th release branch of Windows 10 and so these kind of issues just shouldn't be happening.
Like many Insiders I also bitched to MS to make ISOs available so we can do clean builds without having to always go back to the previous production release then upgrade. But it's fallen on deaf ears now for years.
With Sets now gone from RS5 it may be interesting to see if more effort is placed on Settings and Fluent and especially getting updates to install correctly. To be honest updates to Notepad are okay - but who cares ? Most users rarely use it.
But with that said - the fact that the RS5 / RS6 split is going to happen soon means that RS5 is done - sure they'll be bug fixes and they'll keep hacking on Edge - but otherwise yawn.
What will be more interesting will be how the program will change as the new Windows organization starts to deliver the product.
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